Debbie shared stories of her own life, as someone who was jailed both as a young person and later as an adult. She compellingly described her own early life as one of cascading vulnerability: being locked up as a teen, abused, surrounded by low negative stereotypical expectations, socialized into prisoner role … all the while leading to her being put under control of the human service system. Debbie eventually became a lawyer, and started an organization called Sisters Inside, providing various direct and advocacy supports to women prisoners.